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I have registered for the four part series. Will report back. 01/07/14 – Pro, Cons, and Historical Context: Presented by Bill Norton of Tea Party Patriots. A presentation on the history and context...
Bill O
As a constitutional conservative I refuse to believe that our Constitution needs to be changed. We need to work with the Constitution not against it to solve what is wrong with this country!
Monty Wheeler
I very strongly agree!!! If they won't follow it the way it's written, why change it, except to rewrite to conform to what they are doing.
Susie Q
 
Monty, Dr.Brannon agrees with you
Long Ranger
@Bill O, I agree Bill, The Constitution is fine, Term limits & donation/spending limits would solve many of the problems we currently have, also an amendment that required all laws passed by politicians to impact them also, no more of their them & us Mentality !
I also agree with Robin, we must put ...
Ultra Conservative
I tend to follow the Long Ranger's way of thinking. It is not the Constitution that needs fixing, it the people and the politicians. We have state Constitutions that can be amended, or individual laws passed to annul laws passed at the federal level. We did not learn the Constitution in the first pl...
Keith Jennings
 
It is not "going after" it, Nancy. The fifth amendment is part of the Constitution!
Dave S
But until the people can be fixed we need to do something to at least stop the downward spiral. Theres gonna be hell to pay either way. Head for the hills.
Susan Knutson
Exactly. We aren't trying to 'transform' anything, The U.S. Constitution already protects us. We've seen what havoc and destruction has already been perpetrated on our country in the name of 'hope and change'.
Dave S
Bill and Monty, what parts of the U.S. Constitution have not already been changed and ignored to the point of irrelevance? In any of our lives, even when things were "humming along" for America, we have not known a Constitutional Republic as the Founders intended. We can't kid ourselves here.
William Lessard
 
I would suggest Amendments to clarify previous ones. Such as
"The Right to Keep and Bear Arms of any type including military weapons shall not be infringed by law, fees, taxes or registrations"

Or
"Any Religious presentations by government are not an act of supporting a State Religion and local govern...
Joel James
What needs to be done is to have congress and the administration to follow the constitution and amendments as they are written down, literally follow the constitution. Problem is with lawyers, who have to waste time interpreting the constitution to what suits them at the moment. It's kind of like yo...
James Hall
BREAKING ALL THE RULES is very suspect that the "corruptocrat" class of career traitors would hijack a Constitutional Convention. Will pass on a summary of the discussions.
Keith Jennings
 
Thanks, James. I look forward to your summary!
Monty Wheeler
Wow! Thanks, Robin. I'd better brush up on that. I would literally be ill if anyone thought I was as ignorant as liberals. Going over there now!
Spyder Dalton
Obama needs to be arrested for TREASON.
Matt Fitzgibbons
I have been advocating the idea for several years nationally because I believe there are simply no other practical ways to accomplish some of the most important things necessary, especially given what powers radical judges have claimed for the judicial branch. Some ideas that many would likely agree...
James Hall
The operative point is that the culture has failed and that any political process based upon a public mob and elites activists will represent their own interests and not reinstate a return to a “Federalist” separation of power or restore States Rights. The risk is that the Bill of Rights will be eli...
Dm Rooney
 
I would not be in favor of a line item veto, as it does the same thing that the islamocommie has been doing all along...overriding and/or negating what congress has passed, relieving congress of their authority and duty
Ira Jarhead
 
Anyone that attempts to change or alter the Constitution of the United States should be held for treason and imprisoned!
Keith Jennings
 
The Convention of States is provided for in the Fifth Amendment, Ira. The Founding Fathers provided the amendment process for changing it and this provides for an "escape hatch" from a tyrannical government that is usurping it!
Anne Drummey
 
IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN USED YEARS AGO .. NO GUTS NO GLORY AND LOTS OF CAMEL DUNG!!
Lorilee Cuvillier
 
This is completely Constitutional and within our rights as citizens. It is to stop an overpowering government (such as we have seen) from totally controlling our lives and for us to reign them in without going to war with them. To me, this is our last alternative.
Dm Rooney
 
Like a repeal of the 16th and 17th amendments?
Lorilee Cuvillier
 
Absolutely DM
Susie Q
 
I find the thread interesting but the candidate I support a Constitutional Candidate in NC & he has talked about Levin's ideas in his speeches. He hasn't said he doesn't respect Levin's opinions, but on this one, he stands firm on. But I definitely need to read up on the links posted here.
Susie Q
 
It's been a busy day offline, my first attempt in bringing Constitutional Law back will be getting Candidates elected who are worthy to stand and vote along with Paul, Cruz, Lee. 2014 has several!
Robert Shaw
I am confused by you're comment. Is the candidate you support for or against the plan? (He stands firm on what?)
Glen Davis
An Article V convention is a Constitutional convention. The "One tyrant 3000 miles away or 3000 tyrants one mile away" theory still applies. Returning to the original constitution is the first step. But just making them abide by the constitutional spirit as the founders intended seems to be impossib...
James Hall
Articles of Confederation was Preferable
http://batr.org/autonomy/01090 5.html
Glen Davis
Particularly Article II. Much of it was incorporated into the Constitution and the Constitution worked well until The Manifesto of the Communist Party came out. Wilson started the destruction in 1913 working with bankers. Then FDR started appointing justices based on ideology instead of Constitution...
Dave S
You will never return to the original constitution. Many people will have to die in the process. Think of "cold turkey" for a hardcore mainlining heroin addict. We have to temper our desired endgame with the reality that is currently the American Mind. IMHO.
James Hall
Folks, let me remind that the original gathering in Philadelphia was not called to draft a constitution. Once the session was opened, the FEDERALISTS push through their vision for a strong central government. What we have today is the extension of powers that advance an empire. That is exactly what ...
Glen Davis
Absolutely, James. The Annapolis Convention was formed to amend the Articles of Confederation which came up with some amendments. One in particular limited the taxation power of the federal government. It was declared "unworkable." The leader of that convention? Alexander Hamilton.
James Hall
The most responsive and honest Congressman was from our district, Eric Massa, and he was targeted for removal because he would not roll over. However, he views himself as a “Federalist”. Now seriously, how is it possible to limit, much less dismantle most of the Federal establishment and return to ...
Glen Davis
Everyone who does not believe in State nullification should review Carol Ann Bond v. US (http://www.supremecourt.gov/o pinions/10pdf/09-1227.pdf). In this case the people (you and me) can use a Tenth Amendment argument in our cases. The text of the case explains the truth about federalism. In essence...
Dm Rooney
 
Without term limits on the judiciary, the tenth amendment means about as much as instructions for a electronic device written in Chinese
Keith Jennings
 
I do disagree with Levin's opposition to nullification. I think that it is based on him not wanting to appear inconsistent with his positions on the War Between the States!
Glen Davis
Dm, The Chinese instructions start out, "Don't follow the English version that we write for Americans. Here's how it really works."
Dm Rooney
 
It was called because the Articles were not working, and the founders, wise as they were, knew that tweaking it would also not work. Theirs WAS a Constitutional Convention, Not a convention of the states as written in Article V.
Richard LaPierre is online.
 
I've thought this was needed since i first heard of it. Term limits are a MUST as politicians now tend to BUY votes with favors and freebies. You can no longer count on people voting them out for fear of losing some free program.
AJ Hillbilly
I AGREE 100% No CON-CON , this is a subversive plot to add to the Destruction of America as we as Liberty and Freedom advocates want - No Changes , not Constitutional Convention =Con-Con or whatever the Progressive/Globalists want to label !
Dm Rooney
 
Again, it is not a concon, sir...have you read the book? Have you read Article V?
AJ Hillbilly
why is the group Secure the Republic against this Con-Con event ? Read the site and get back to us DM Rooney.
Dm Rooney
 
this ...is....NOT...a...Constitutio nal....Convention!
Dm Rooney
 
And, by the way, here is what the leader of SECURE THE REPUBLIC, Jeannie Burlsworth, is involved in http://www.examiner.com/articl e/video-of-rigged-he...

ACORN, Obamacare? I might not listen to her much, Sir
Peter Knickerbocker
The fear-mongering about a "Con-Con" started as a leftist effort to scare, i.e. "con", Americans into not using Article V to undo unconstitutional Supreme Court decisions. Art. V allows 2/3 of the States to call a "Convention for Proposing Amendments", not a constitutional convention. Mark Levin's...
Keith Jennings
 
Thanks, Peter!
Peter Knickerbocker
And thank you!
Dm Rooney
 
MUCH thanks Peter!
AJ Hillbilly
Yes i need to read it , and will , and still won't agree, States need to Flat out become independent and just Nullify Fed Laws that are not appropriate for Liberty period.
James Hall
What is missed by “good intention” proponents of constitutional reform is that the very nature of superiority of a central government, over the sovereignty of individual states, is inherently the problem with the political structure. The American Revolution was not fought to create an internal despo...
AJ Hillbilly
Secession is like the 2nd amendment a hammer over the heads of the Feds.
Keith Jennings
 
That would be the last resort if elections, a Convention of States and/or nullification doesn't work. Let's go through the motions before we resort to secession, which will lead to another revolution!
Dm Rooney
 
In this case, James, it is to re-establish state sovereignty and power, and not so much a "reform" as a re-affirmation of what our founders were trying to do, which became bastardized throughout the regressive era since Teddy R.
James Hall
Trust you will agree with my assessment in the Radical Reactionary article - Article V Constitutional Amendment
Robert Shaw
Why bother to read it if you have decided that you will not agree?
RE; (*Yes i need to read it , and will , and still won't agree* ).
Keith Jennings
 
A statement like that indicates someone that you are wasting
your time to even discuss it with. A mindset like that is a big part if why this country has gotten in the shape it is in!
Dave S
Like a conversation about fishing and eating fish in particular, that I had with a coworker once:
Me: My favorite freshwater fish to catch and eat is Walleye/Yellow Pike.

Coworker: Yeah it is the best, I've never had it...

Me??????
Keith Jennings
 
A guy that worked for
me from PA brought some fried walleye back from a vacation home. Even heated up, it was the best freshwater fish I ever ate!
AJ Hillbilly
It all sounds good like we are protected- BULL , who is gonna represent us at the STate Level ! Most are Greedy Sell-OUTS ! They are part of the Problem not my solution ! Yes we need change , but if we Gamble on the Future of our Families and it gets Messed up, (i have much stronger explicatives ),I...
AJ Hillbilly
Read above article then get back to me , it says it all .
Peter Knickerbocker
Just read it. It is a leftist con. ALEC is a great organization and the left is doing everything it can to slander it. We must learn to recognize and brush aside this kind of leftist bs.
Jim Dees
To Jerry, got another link? This link provided talks about a comet hitting earth in 2016.
Spyder Dalton
Arrest Obama for TREASON and this conversation would be mute.
Dm Rooney
 
Not entirely...you still have congress to deal with
James Hall
Two points:
1) Is there ever an example of a ruling class volunteering to limit, much less eliminating significant portions of their power?
2) Whatever specifics encoded in the U.S. Constitution to amend the “Supreme Law of the Land”, when was the last time that the tyrannical establishment obeyed th...
Glen Davis
One of the arguments put forth by the Anti-Federalists quoting Baron de Montesquieu. The founders were very well educated in government.
James Hall
It is still as valid today as in the 18th century.
Keith Jennings
 
You do it and if they don't comply, move on to the last resort!
James Hall
As long as citizens cling to a repudiated notion of legitimacy of the current political union, the political elite will play the public like a violin.
Monty Wheeler
Just ordered Liberty Amendments for Kindle at Amazon for $3.99. I guess I can afford that.
Dianna Sharp
 
This is, in fact, the only time I have ever disagreed with Mark Levin. But I disagree with this completely. You are pursuing a very dangerous line here. Exactly what progressives are hoping for.
Dm Rooney
 
Forgive me, Ms. Sharp, but if this were the case, then why is it TEA party folks, and otherwise true conservatives in the state legislatures, pushing FOR it, and leftist affiliated organizations, trying to change the terminology and call it a constitutional convention to scare those patriots which w...
Ron Bedell
This whole thing (convention of the states) is leading up to a constitutional convention which is extremely dangerous. The globalists are planning to have this constitutional convention in Mount Vernon, Virginia this year. If the globalists Republicans and Democrats succeed much more power will be c...
Dm Rooney
 
I happen to KNOW one of the attendees of the Mount Vernon Assembly which occurred this past December, and she is ANYTHING but a "globalist". She is in a different state from me, and STILL the only politician I have EVER donated money to, so that does NOT hold water, Sir
AJ Hillbilly
Secure The Republic Logo
97 Legislators from 32 States met on December 7, 2013 in Mount Vernon, Virginia, to discuss the Convention of States (COS) also known as an Article V Amendment Convention (Con-Con).
The Convention of States (COS) is also known as an Article V Amendment Convention or Constitu...
Ron Bedell
great post.
Keith Jennings
 
Old news. The last paragraph is the key one!
If you believe the rest of the Constitution written by our founding fathers is sacrosanct, as I believe it is, then why is that one clause in that one Article the "dangerous" one? The Convention of States proposed by Levin is not the same as a "Con-Con". ...
Dm Rooney
 
Right from the ACORN affiliated secure the republic posting
AJ Hillbilly
Secure the Republic is not Affiliated with Acorn ! where did you come up with that ? Show us the source . I smell some Bullshite .
Ron Bedell
Robin. I don't have to read the book. Common sense tells you what is going on here. I just stated in one of my above posts that the globalists are planning for a constitutional convention this summer at Mount Vernon, Virginia. And who do you think will be in charge of this convention? You guest it, ...
Keith Jennings
 
Evidently you do need to read the book, Ron!
fernando arce
got news for you guys..the globalist are already running the show in DC ...thru lobbyist and special interest groups. ART V is the only way back to original intent of limited govt.
Kenneth Solomon
See Publius-Huldah's Blog about Amending Con-Con and Mark Levin refuted http://publiushuldah.wordpress .com/
Dm Rooney
 
He argues against common sense, refutes plain language of Article V, and uses scare tactics to claim that folks, such as Levin, are trying to "gut" the Constitution and make the federal government all powerful....ANYONE who has read the book, or even just LISTENED to his show, KNOW this to be false.
Keith Jennings
 
It's not a "Con-Con" it is a...uh...
"Con-o-states"!
Dm Rooney
 
and yet it would be those very states that would set the terms, run the whole thing, with absolutely NO input from the leeches in the swamp that we speak against...
James Hall
I attended the Tea Party Patriot (Part I) symposium on Article V. My detail critique will appear in next Monday's Radical Reactionary article on BREAKING ALL THE RULES. If there is interests, others may want to engage in the next three sessions. I will NOT participate in the future discussions.
AJ Hillbilly
If the TEA PARTY goes with this ARticle V destructive measure , i will not consider myself a TEA PARTY MEMBER - i am a Consitutionalist , NOT a FEDERALIST , for LIBERTY ,not CORPORATE FUNDED POLITICS , NOW I WONDER HOW MUCH THE KOCH BROTHERS HAVE INVESTED IN THIS ENDEAVOR and GROUP ! THIS IS SUSPECT...
Dm Rooney
 
Ahh, the Koch brothers response....thought so
Keith Jennings
 
There it is!
Dave S
AJ, Ever consider how much Unions both private and taxpayer funded, goes back into "investing" in lobbying activities and Progressive policies? More than a thousand Koch Bros. What solutions DO YOU HAVE?(caps lock OFF)
AJ Hillbilly
you talk'in to me ? Ok, jok'in aside , we need more Libertarian type Candidates to run for Office, we have an opportunity here to win by the PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE. I do not want to turn over your and my Rights to STate Representatives who are not For the American People . I will read Mr Levin's book...
Dm Rooney
 
You speak against conservative / libertarian businessmen, yet say we need more libertarian candidates?
Monty Wheeler
Article V says:

“The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments…” So...who is it that has th...
Dm Rooney
 
The state legislatures of two thirds of the states submit / call for the convention, all the congress does is file it (and they may chose the place of meeting, if I am not mistaken), and the congress SHALL call the convention...after that, their hands are off
Richard Stewart
The legislatures of two thirds(34) of the several states.
Monty Wheeler
Exactly! Looks to me like: if 2/3 of the states apply for a convention, then The Congress shall call a convention. Am I missing something? The Congress, not the states, shall call a convention.
Keith Jennings
 
That is correct, Monty, Congress SHALL call, not can, might, may...!
William Lessard
 
Actually the States can have an Article V convention without Congressional Approval. Then when 3/4 of the States pass a new Amendment it doesn't matter what the Congress says it is part of the Constitution. Even if 2/3's of the Congress pass an Amendment, it still requires 3/4s of the States to Rati...
Keith Jennings
 
Exactly, William!
Dm Rooney
 
Congress, in essence, files the paperwork, in the plain meaning of things
Monty Wheeler
Article V:
The Congress, (…..),shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, (…..), shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments…”
I am honestly not trying to be bull headed here, but what am I missing? ! It seems pretty clear to me that in either case, the Congress shall either propose amend...
Dm Rooney
 
It means that they do what they do best....paper pushers, that's about it
Ron Bedell
Convention of the States and Constitutional Conventions are all the same thing. And the Globalists plan to hold this convention at Mount Vernon, Virginia this summer. Constitutional Conventions are extremely dangerous. http://www.jbs.org/issues-page s/no-con-con
Jean Bailey
 
It's not a constitutional convention. It's a convention of states to reaffirm the constitution.
Ron Bedell
I am all for states rights. Absolutely. But the globalists who are selling this convention on we the people are selling it as Article V, States Convention, or anything else. But they are accomplishing their objective. They have managed to fool a lot of people on the right wing. I have recently talke...
Dm Rooney
 
I am FRIENDS with an atendee, and she is NOT any kind of "globalist" or elite...she is a mom and a patriot. How bouts you stop the spew until you know who was involved and what they are trying to accomplish. This is liberaltarian garbage, and you know it

http://www.electtherightcandid ate.us/Blog/Mo...
Dave S
Read the first chapter of "The Liberty Amendments" here for free:

http://citadelcc.vo.llnwd.net/ o29/network/Levin/ho...

Levin's Home Page:

http://www.marklevinshow.com/
Monty Wheeler
jbs.org asks this question:
"Why would politicians suddenly start following an amended Constitution after ignoring and violating the Constitution for so long? The remedy so desperately needed to return our country to good government is to enforce the Constitution, not amend it."
That's my question as ...
Keith Jennings
 
I assume they are talking about U.S. Congressmen and Senators. If so, that is the whole point, bypassing the entrenched, establshment who's main priority is remaining in power.
If they are talking about state legislature, then that is a problem for the states to deal with at their level. Most of the...
Jean Bailey
 
If we can have a convention of states and, for instance, add term limits on all representatives and senators, most of them would have to leave office and the backdoor deals would go with them. Also, we could do away with lifetime pensions and lower the salaries. So many things could be implemented t...
Dm Rooney
 
As well as ALL federal judges, including SCOTUS
Ron Bedell
I agree Monty. If the politicians can't obey the constitution now why would they obey an amended constitution? And there is no need for this constitutional convention or convention of the states. I talked to an expert last night about this convention coming up this summer. And he said the globalists...
Dave S
Ron this might not change your mind and I know your concerns are legit. It is well past the time of action, hopefully not too late.

"Levin found his answers in Article V of the Constitution. He explains that “<Article V> provides for two methods of amending the Constitution.” In the first method, “...
Keith Jennings
 
Excellent, Stolly. Your patience are to be commended!
Ron Bedell
Stolly please don't get me wrong. I am all for states rights. Absolutely. But the globalists who are selling this convention on we the people are selling it as Article V, States Convention, or anything else. But they are accomplishing their objective. They have managed to fool a lot of people on the...
Dave S
Alright then Ron, what do you propose we do? Sit back and let them just do the convention as you say and not get involved. Apparently it is going down according to the NWO crowd whether of not "right wingers" are in on it or not. Levin did address your concerns in his book. I have to get it back fro...
Kenneth Solomon
It is Congress that calls for a convention and it must do so when either Congress or the states have enough votes requesting a call. The only thing the states have the authority to do is to apply to Congress to call a convention.
If Congress does not honor the Constitution we have now, why think they...
Keith Jennings
 
Kenneth, my position has been carefully considered. Changing Congress, from within and without, is the point of a Convention of States. Your comment can be looked at both ways.
If enough citizens in enough states call for their legislatures to apply for a CoS, the politicians ignore the will of the ...
Dave S
In the first chapter of his book, "The Liberty Amendments", Mark Levin outlines and explains the reasons for and procedures required to amend the Constitution through Congress AND for the States to call for a convention to reel in an out of control Federal government. The Executive, Legislative and ...
Monty Wheeler
Dave, the States cannot call for a convention. They can "make application for" a convention. If 2/3 of the states apply, Congress shall call a convention.
Keith Jennings
 
I think Stolly knows that, Monty. He just misspoke. He has read the book after all, unlike some of the CoS detractors on this thread!
B Thomas
With all due respect to Mr. Levin and the supporters of this movement. What gives anyone the idea that these folks would abide by another amendment? While we are adding term limits, balance budget(not limit spending) why not an amendment that everyone gets a unicorn.
We need a tactical retreat and...
Keith Jennings
 
Most of the current crop of politicians wouldn't, so I agree that we need to cleanout the entrenched ones also. These amendments would be enforced by a new group of Tea Party representatives and, more importantly, keep them honest in the future by limiting their stay in DC. They are much more likely...
Dave S
Ok, so the 2/3s of the states apply for and the Congress has to call for. Good enough. Trouble afoot with or without the action.
B Thomas
We tried in 2009 and crickets could be heard. http://cc2009.us/
Dave S
B Thomas
Have you read the Articles of Freedom?
Monty Wheeler
There are obviously 2 sides to this issue, and the debate must continue! Don't get mad, dig deep...let's figure this out.
Dm Rooney
 
Indeed Monty
jerry nappi
The old cliché was "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". Our Constitution ain't broke, it's just not being used!!!!
Dm Rooney
 
I contend that through subversion by politicians, bastardization by unelected lawyers in dirty man jammies, and ignorance by an apathetic citizenry HAS broken it, and all we are proposing is to re-affirm the original intent.
Robert Shaw
Some of the amendments that have been added to The U. S. Constitution have effectively altered or nullified (broken) important parts of the original document. The 17th is a prime example. So yes in some ways it is broken.
Dm Rooney
 
And this is what, in theory, a convention of the states would work to reverse
Ultra Conservative
The only Amendments we need are to repeal some of the previous Amendments we got deceived into approving.
B Thomas
The problem is that violating the Constitution has become so institutionalized that to uphold it you are considered an anarchist. So when you have so many people dependent on the perverse interpretation of the Constitution we become less a republic and more a democracy.
Dave S
Don't ya just hate when evil plans go so well and so unimpeded?
Robert Shaw
Agree, the illegitimate 17th amendment is a huge perversion of the intent of the document, making us less a republic and more a democracy.
Richard Stewart
The 17th amendment is one that should be thrown out or repealed in a constitutional convention.
Dave S
I feel more and more like this every day.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/w alter-e-williams/201...
B Thomas
We may have free states and federalists states. We just have to watch our individual states Attorneys General.
B Thomas
I recommend that any one that wants to restore the Constitution and avoid further conflict with the federal government, read this document. If you agree with the contents then print a copy and personally deliver it your state and federal representative. We need to let them know we understand the r...
Dave S
"(Mark)Levin is fond of saying that Washington will not fix itself. It’s true. He has now shown us a way that we the people can save ourselves. We can take matters into our own hands with The Liberty Amendments, or lazily watch as our freedom is snuffed out by the specter of all-consuming centralize...
Glen Davis
One thing people should understand is just what a Constitution is. I think this is where people get confused. Constitution simply put means the law of the land. England has a constitution. So does Russia, China, and every other country that made laws. Every time the Pharaoh said let it be written, l...
Dm Rooney
 
This is exactly why the federal judiciary, including SCOTUS, would be one of the FIRST amendments of term limits I would propose
Glen Davis
The problem with term limits is that it would limit those who are following the Constitution. Imagine if Kennedy and Scalia were outed due to term limits under this administration. What would we get? In fact Kennedy has vowed not to retire until Obama is out of office.
Dm Rooney
 
Yes, that would be a concern, however, this to me is mitigated by the harm others WOULD cause by having no fear of violating the Constitution in their rulings. NO man should have influence over a population for more than half a generation, let alone a lifetime
Monty Wheeler
Robin Valente...TUWE AKA TOKAHA?
Ron Bedell
We here in Florida are doing everything we can to try to stop this insanity, the up coming constitutional convention. This is not "convention of the States" or "Article V." This convention is the real deal. This will be the constitutional convention coming up this summer, right near George Washingto...
Keith Jennings
 
Ron, what exactly are the "right wing" confused and have been fooled about? What specifically are the "globalist" attempting to change about or change to? Who is this expert that you mention
and what are his credentials? Are you saying that the actual Constitutional Convention of 1787 and the resulti...
Ron Bedell
Keith, why is it so difficult to understand what I just said? If you understand globalism it is real easy to figure out what the globalists/internationalists are up to. They want world government. By the way I will not give out my sourse because he's trying to get in there. And this will be a consti...
Keith Jennings
 
I understand your claim because you have repeated it over and over. You are still making the same claim without any facts to back up your assertations, Ron. A general claim backed up by the word of some mysterious expert is not very convincing. I wouldn't expect you to use his name, but some credent...
Dave S
"Let's be honest about, as much as I respect the Founders, their intention was to throw out the Articles of Confedeation and replace it with the U.S. Constitution which called for a much bigger and more centralized federal government. The problems they had back then mostly had to do with inter state...
Ron Bedell
Dave, I am not trying to make anything sound like a conspiracy, but see for yourself. That constitutional convention in the summer of 1787 was held in secrecy, not total secrecy of course. And I apologize for saying total secrecy because it wasn't. And after the convention was over the lady asking B...
Monty Wheeler
The liberty amendments sound great! I'm still waiting for someone to step up and explain how we are going to get politicians who ignore the Constitution to follow the new amendments!
Keith Jennings
 
I have said it before, Monty. A CoS willbe the handwriting on the wall. If enough people are willing to bypass Congress to vote for one, then they will see that we are serious about changing direction. They will uphold the Articles demand that they call for one and uphold any passed amendments or kn...
Ultra Conservative
There are several very good constitutional amendment ideas circulating, and a strong consensus is beginning to coalesce around a few. We should be careful not to undermine those good efforts by tying them intrinsically to the dubious process of an Article V convention.

There may be a time in extremis...
Keith Jennings
 
I agree on all counts, Nancy. I don"t think anybody wants or expects a CoS until after the mid-terms. With an overwhelming conservative sweep of Congress, which means a super majority in both Houses, it may not even be necessary. That is far from a likely outcome at this point.
As I told Monty, just ...
Ultra Conservative
Our sights should be -- NO SOCIALISTS get re-elected in 2014, NO HILLARY in 2016 and we all need to have our sights set on one presidential candidate and get behind him or her. We also need to man the election sights to do away with voter fraud. And we need to man the polls to verify the voting popu...
Ron Bedell
Please remember the globalists will be in charge of this constitutional convention this summer. And it was the globalists who created this "out of control" problem in Washington D.C. So when the constitutional convention is over we can expect to get a document that is much more favorable to the New ...
Ron Bedell
A constitutional convention is a very bad idea. It will open the doors wide open to the evils of the globalists. It will give the globalists a golden opportunity to expand and centralize government even more.
Keith Jennings
 
OK, Ron, we got it! Saying it over and over without any evidence doesn't prove your point!
Ron Bedell
Keith, I posted the websites above. How much more proof do you need man? This summer I will say to you and Robin, "I told you so." But you people never listen.
Keith Jennings
 
Ron, I read the John Birch book review, but only found the same opinions that you have been giving, not any proof. If you believe as they do that education of the electorate is going to be an effective remedy for the problem of our out of control executive branch and a compliant Congress, then you a...
Ron Bedell
I understand what you are saying Keith. I am not mad at you a bit. We just disagree here. I want to see the federal government under control as much as you do. But it is not hard to see that this constitutional convention coming up this summer will be a runaway convention, just look what happened at...
Monty Wheeler
Copied from the online report and pasted here:

Such a scholarly approach provides no effective answer to the essential questions.

1) Is there ever an example of a ruling class volunteering to limit, much less eliminating significant portions of their power?

2) Whatever specifics encoded in the U.S. Con...
Ron Bedell
Just say no to a constitutional convention: http://www.jbs.org/issues-page s/no-con-con
Keith Jennings
 
This link wouldn't open for me, Ron. It looks like the same one you already posted though!
Dale Kirkley
 
I got it to work for me. Maybe the link got broke when he posted it, I've had that happen to me before.

http://www.jbs.org/issues-page s/no-con-con

See if that works.
Keith Jennings
 
It opened again for me this time. Thanks,Dale.
Ron, it is the same stuff as before. I read some of it and understand the arguments. Levin addresses all these concerns in his book.Unless you are willing to give our side the courtesy of reading it, there is nothing left to discuss. We are just going in...
Ron Bedell
Keith, it opened for me just now. Try to copy it into your browser. That might work.
Keith Jennings
 
I did, but will try again. Is it the same JBS page as before?
Ron Bedell
I think so, yes. But you can also call Keith Dunn. I gave his number about five posts above. Keith knows a lot about this up coming constitutional convention this summer. I have called my legislatures and asked them to stop the con-con. If the globalists get their way and get this convention then on...
Monty Wheeler
Well, I have read the book. I must have missed the part where Levin explains how we get then to follow the amendments when they have been ignoring the Constitution. The answer to that question is so important to me, because without it, what's the point. I know you keep saying we have to start somew...
Keith Jennings
 
Monty, please see above my thoughts on nullification. I believe it should be our second resort. If enough constituentd support their stste legislatures in applying and/ or passing a CoS, then the Congress will read the hand writing on the wall. If they ignore it they will see the ramifications in th...
Dm Rooney
 
Nullification is a pretext to succession and civil war.
James Hall
And what is wrong with succession? As for a civil war, what do you think the National Government is waging against the American public and States.
John Voors
From what I understand it is a states right to nullify if it believes the fed law is unconstitutional. To me that is not a pretext to anything unless you believe the States are subservient to an all powerful Federal Government.
Keith Jennings
 
SECESSION, DM, but I agree!
Keith Jennings
 
I agree with nullification if other options are unsuccessful. It is connsidered extra-Constitutional where a Convention is specifically provided for in the Constitution. I think that is why elections and a Convention should be our first options. If nullification becomes
necessary, secession
and civil ...
Dm Rooney
 
Yes, Keith, I noticed it afterward. Secession is NOT the answer, and civil war...two wrongs don't make a right. You want to stop the fed...fine...Article V is what the founders proscribed unless you just want to tear the country apart.
Keith Jennings
 
It no doubt will, DM. I said it would be the last resort. If the federal government imposes their
un-Constitutional mandates by force in spite of all our other efforts, what else do we do? Compliance is not an option if we are to restore the country to its founding!
Monty Wheeler
I agree, John Voors! And if we can't get them to nullify unconstitutional laws, how in the world will we get them to follow new ones!
Keith Jennings
 
Once again, Monty. The threat of having to get a real job after the next election!
Monty Wheeler
Keith, respectfully, do they not face that threat at every election? I believe they do, but the people have become complacent. The Constitution worked fine for 100 years or so. Then, for reasons too numerous to go into here, people stopped paying attention. Bottom line...if we can't vote them ou...
Keith Jennings
 
Monty, I agree that has been the overwhelming problem that results in all others. The political environment has changed tremendously in the last three years. The 35% of hard core liberal democrats has stagnated. The Republicans have declined to 25% of devoted sycophants. Independents have increased ...
Dave S
Hey Gents, a little interview by I think SCJ Clarence Thomas' wife Ginni, with a psychologist on what is needed to re-invigorate enough of the electorate to change the course in America. Low key, and right on I think.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/01 /12/psychologist-tea... !
Dm Rooney
 
Hey Dave..I read that article yesterday...very nicely stated.
James Hall
Dm Rooney
 
As stated, as a LAST resort, James. This is why Article V is so important; it staves the last resort off, as by the time you reach the last resort, the end is nigh
Ron Bedell
Dm Rooney
 
fine story being pushed by LIBERALtarians
Keith Jennings
 
It is all addressed in the book, but he won't read it!
Ron Bedell
To Keith and Robin. Honestly, I really don't need to read your book when I have the truth right here. It's like, Why should I read the Koran when I have the Bible right here? The John Birch Society has been fighting this constitutional convention for decades, long before your man published his pro-c...
Keith Jennings
 
OK, Ron. We'll see!
Dm Rooney
 
Tunnel vision much, Mr. Bedell? Yes, yes, we all know about JBS and their siding with the left when convenient. That spew is not working!
Dm Rooney
 
Here's one of the "heros" involved in pushing the "con-con" crap, sir http://www.examiner.com/articl e/video-of-rigged-he...
Dm Rooney
 
I've met SOO many libertarians that were/are willing to side WITH OWS for one issue, and work against those they actually agree with EIGHTY percent of the time...I will never understand this!
Dave S
Wakin'n'bakin' and "hotboxin'" takes it's toll is my guess...
Keith Jennings
 
Please explain, Stolly!
Dave S
Damn, I'm doing alot of 'splainin' lately...
Keith Jennings
 
They think they want anarchy, but would be the first ones crying for the government to save them when the real hoodlums show up at their door!
Ron Bedell
This constitutional convention this summer will disastrous to our U.S. Constitution and our liberties. It is time to take a stand against George Soros, socialism, and all the globalists. http://www.thenewamerican.com/ usnews/constitution/...
Dm Rooney
 
Your spew no longer merits attention, you aren't even reading the posts any longer, I call TROLL!
Keith Jennings
 
I gave up, DM. You can't have an intelligent discussion with someone who refuses to be fully informed. If we said we didn't "need to read" his opposing JBS references, Ron would say the same thing!
Dm Rooney
 
I actually used to frequent the New American website. They continued to get further and further from reality, and haven't been over there for a few years now. We read that, but he and folks like him refuse to alleviate themselves from their LIBERALtarian tunnel vision.
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